Its aim is not to prevent all wars wherever they may occur, but to stop the UK from going to war. The most egregious by far are by John Pilger. One final point: I am a socialist, always have been always will be – why should I show a scrap of solidarity to the cynical stalinists who lead Stop the War, who blatantly and shamelessly are allied with, and backed by self -described enemies of socialism, human rights, freedom and democracy? Stop the War. And I don’t agree that PhilBC’s arguments can be considered in any way typical of the views of socialists, as you seem to imply. 11 talking about this. Most of the arguments claiming to link the Israel/Palestine issue to the Iraq issue tended to be simply comparisons – the malign effect of US foreign policy in the Middle East , a perceived oppression of Muslims by the West, track records on failing to observe UN resolutions – rather than actual concrete links between the two countries and conflicts. On March 19 th 2003 the Iraq War began. The Petition the British Government Tried to Ban By Stop the War Coalition, May 28, 2014 . So when the secular, progressive Kurds ask for close air support from whoever will supply it to defend, for instance, Kobane – against the murderous women enslavers and pogromists of the clerico-fascist Daesh, the StWC Left simply ignores their plight. Moreover, within weeks of the February protests, the STWC had gone into decline with startling rapidity. This would be the equivalent of backing a modern day version of the Stalin-Hitler pact. (March 20 2004) Demo marks Iraq war anniversary. Given that open and informed discussion is something for which the Labour Party, not to speak of the left in general, does not have a strong tradition or culture I think we need to think carefully about the way we try to establish it. You and your fellow-thinkers are in fact stooges of the Assad regime, and in refusing to support the right of the secular Kurdish forces right to fight Daesh’s clerico-fascism “by any means necessary” you are by absence of solidarity action , indirectly complicit in the crimes of Daesh too. I think that intelligent debate starts with the assumption that people, including oneself, can reach wrong conclusions for plausible and well-motivated reasons. If that is all that is on offer then doesn’t that point to a need for a critique which is based on objective analysis and which is not at all decontextualised or platitudinous? What Stop the War has done instead is focus on the inadequacy of UK military action as a solution. | Powered by, http://www.workersliberty.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=570&mode=thread&order=0, http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/notes/snSG-02109.pdf, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3550411.stm. The Stop the War Coalition (StWC) (informally just Stop the War) is a United Kingdom group established on 21 September 2001 to campaign against what it believes are unjust wars. Campaigning. And even at its formation, Stop the War barely condemned the murder of 3000 innocents by Al Qaeda in 1998 and 2001 which provoked and triggered the whole failed “War on terror”. Not again…all you have done is prove the point that Stop the War is not anti-war, but anti-west. Instead of clear arguments backed by proper analysis, the STWC gave incoherent ones. I have been following the STW debate carefully here as a “newcomer” to the backstory and I am trying to make a disinterested judgement about them and their works. p. 132 Karl – you persist in saying Stop the War is synonymous with the anti- War movement. Despite claims to the contrary by STWC leaders, there was little to link the Israel/Palestine issue to Iraq , other than their being geographic neighbours. They are certainly no friends of the Syrian Democratic Revolution. It is the type of argument that gives the anti-left outpourings of people like Nick Cohen some traction. I think you should go back to the Stalinist shit pit and hang out that is Socialist Unity where you can all jabber about the legitimate government of Assad and its heroic struggle for survival. Christopher Mark Nineham is a British political activist and founder member of the Stop the War Coalition serving as National Officer and Deputy Chair of the Stop the War Coalition in the UK. In fact the unravelling of the post 1918 current state boundaries may have gone so far now that no solution on current boundaries is possible. At a meeting hosted by Stop the War Coalition in 2009, Corbyn said he invited "friends" from Hamas and Hezbollah to an event in parliament, referred to Hamas as "an organisation dedicated towards the good of the Palestinian people," and said that the British government's labelling of Hamas as a terrorist organisation is "a big, … Neither Phil nor Andy do that. Stop the War Coalition was live. The sort of coalition building that StWC advocates is the coalition building that leads to red/brown alliances and throwing fellow socialists under a bus (pace the treatment of trade unionists and leftists in the Donbass, Crimea and Russia itself), the sort of coalition that democratic socialists should have no part in. Britain’s Stop the War Coalition (STWC) held a demonstration in London on Saturday. They only lead this so-called movement because they managed to reduce the anti-Iraq war movement down from three million to 250 pro-Assadists protesting outside the Embassy alongside his thugs. It is interesting that you should say that. At least your consistent with your reactionary imperialist cheer-leading and positions that always mean that the main, and indeed only, enemy is… abroad. Given its institutional weaknesses and its failure to generate coherent arguments, this was probably inevitable. Motion 1: Trump’ s m ilitary e scalation and the Special Relationship from the Officers group Conference notes that in the first period of his term, US President Trump has demonstrated a definite preference for military … It’s being attacked by the pro-war, right-wing establishment and we should all defend it. Even supposed allies of the STWC, such as the Communist Party of Great Britain, were driven to complain that ‘The Stop the War Coalition can still mobilise tens of thousands onto the streets, but politically it offers little more than populist platitudes.’ 12 Attempts to transform the STWC into a political party, the Respect Coalition, have materialised into little more than George Galloway, the SWP, a few other extreme-left groups, a few trade union branches, plus some informal links with the Muslim Association of Britain. Pilger methodically repeats a series of Kremlin war propaganda* memes: That the 2014 Revolution of Dignity was a fascist coup (see the response to this pap by Ukrainian socialists and anarchists I link to … Although the Israeli government strongly supported the US in its stance on Iraq , Israel remained a neutral country during the Iraq War. (March 19 2003) Commons Divisions on Iraq : 26 February and 18 March 2003 . You can become a ... UK involvement with the brutal bombing of Yemen in favour of the deeply repressive Saudi dictatorship exposes British foreign policy. Stop the War Coalition (StWC) is an Australian anti-war group initially formed in Sydney in 2003 in response to the US-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the general " War on Terror " of which the Australian Government has been a strong ally. By becoming a Stop the War member today, you’ll be part of a mass anti-war movement. The Stop the War Coalition (StWC) has recently come under heavy pressure for refusing to protest the relentless Russian bombing of Aleppo and its blatant targeting of civilians and aid convoys. Spare us your smug,”oooh look how clean my hands are” self righteousness, James Stewart.In the specific context of Syria today Your cod pacifism is not only morally unsupportable, but is actually a deliberate selective distortion of reality too. Rylance is a patron of the London-based charity Peace Direct which supports grassroots peacebuilders in areas of conflict, and of the British Stop the War Coalition. I thought Phil BC’s piece was a bit over the top but I also found Andy N’s response unconvincing. The Stop the War Coalition grew at an unprecedented rate as grassroots organisations developed local networks, and its spokespersons and events became increasingly prominent. Stop the War Coalition: About Us . A Stop the War Coalition protester at a rally in January. Anyone new to the party or politics who reads this thread now knows there are powerful easy to comprehend arguments against Stop the War, like Phil’s great article, as well as some arguments for them, like Andy Newman’s article which of course I think is weak. What “supporting evidence” do you require, David? London : Faber and Faber. At its height, the Stop the War Coalition was the biggest protest movement in British history, but it utterly failed to achieve its objectives. What I am suggesting is that we need a style of debate which we try to make as inclusive as possible. 6. He also says that “In Britain there is a deep pride in the armed forces, and respect for the ideal of service that they represent. The most egregious by far are by John Pilger. Phrases like “utter tripe”, “lack of intellect” etc express a conclusion reached. De facto it backs Russian imperialism everywhere, the theocratic hellhole that is Iran, the murderous psychopath that is Assad. If you want to get involved as a contributor, please contact James Elliott using the form on this page. Just over a month after the giant march of February 15 th – arguably the STWC’s greatest achievement – came its greatest failure, and one that sent the organisation into terminal decline. Around the time of the huge demonstrations of February 15 th 2003, the Stop the War Coalition had emerged as one of the biggest protest movements in British history, yet it failed to achieve its goal of preventing war in Iraq. At the StWC rally I attended in Parliament Square, for example, there were speakers from a range of organisations I neither belong to nor support – the Green Party, the SNP, CND for example. However, there were clear flaws in the STWC’s organisation that would prevent it from making effective use of the support it received at this time. Your help is vital for us to continue our work. I therefore think that Corbyn’s idea of a kinder politics needs to be taken to heart. Voices Comment The Stop the War Coalition should do us all a favour and disband. Many of these were so-called ‘protest virgins’ – moderate, politically non-aligned people who did not normally take part in protest marches. Glasgow Stop the War is happy to co-host this event with Stand up to Racism, the firefighters' FBU union, civil service workers' PCS union, public sector workers' Unison union, anti-racist homelessness and human rights charity Positive Action In Housing and environmental action group Extinction Rebellion Glasgow among others. By becoming a Stop the War member today, you’ll be part of a mass anti-war movement. I don’t think so Karl Stewart. I can oppose the bombing of Syria by the West without supporting Assad and Putin thank you very much. Anti-war campaign group in Bristol. A response will come in due course. At the time of writing, the Respect Coalition are gearing up for the European and London mayoral elections of June 10 th , but are not expected to perform well. At protests such as those on February 15 th 2003, middle-of-the-road liberals who had turned up to voice their disquiet at a reckless military adventure in Iraq were bemused to find themselves being handed placards that said not just “Don’t Attack Iraq” or “Not in My Name” but also “Freedom for Palestine.” The MAB in particular seemed to be giving out almost as many “Freedom for Palestine ” as “Don’t Attack Iraq ” placards. They say it is easy for any interested person to find out the evidence for their sweeping claims about STW, but I can tell you that as a reasonably interested and intelligent non-Marxist person of the left , devoting a bit of my leisure time to tracking down a few links, so far I have not found any smoking guns. 4. Imagine someone recently brought into, or back into, politics in the wave of enthusiasm generated by the process leading to the election of Jeremy Corbyn. A founding member and convenor of the British anti-war organisation Stop the War Coalition, she was formerly a member of the Socialist Workers Party, sitting on its central committee and editor of its magazine, Socialist Review. “Pure copout and the sort of thing that repels many from the Left”… very well put. I’ve always opposed sectarianism and the sectarianism displayed on the contributions on this site has been disgraceful while we are trying to fight both a witch hunt against Jeremy and the UK/NATO permanent war and bombing against one country after another. I suggest that if we are to make something of the opportunity provided by Corbyn’s election then we will have many very difficult debates to go through on a wide range of topic. Organisations such as the SWP have a horrendous record in publishing politically biased, ideologically slanted tomes riddled with bad pseudo-logic and pseudo-journalism; not balanced, well-researched analyses. It is kinder, and more intelligent to proceed on that basis. Funny old world isn’t it? I think I have made my reasons clear David. This appears to stem partly from the SWP’s stance on the Israel/Palestine conflict, which is aggressively pro-Palestine and anti-Israel. In today’s Iraq/Syria/Middle East crisis, the simplistic cod pacifism of the StWC in the last Iraq war simply doesn’t cut it as a mobilising mantra any more. Sticking rigidly to the “its all, solely Western imperialism’s fault” , requires StW to ignore the huge role of the lesser imperialisms of Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia – and of course Russia. Anti-Coalition Liberal to stand in Oldham, US regrets reduced UK military capabiility for foreign intervention – the rest of us don’t, Dave Prentis re-elected general secretary amidst allegations of ballot rigging, The grotesque chaos of Claire Kober’s Haringey. Benn’s speech was a disgusting piece of rabble rousing more appropriate to the bierkeller than a parliament and just look at the rabble it roused: braying Tories and New Labour war criminals. I do not share the shock horror much expressed about either the Freedom Fighters blog or the Whirlwind blog – which were quoted out of context with all nuance stripped out, but hey, that’s politics, isn’t it? Anybody who gives it political cover has some of the blood on its hands. People from all over the country packed into a meeting in Birmingham to hear ‘Why We Need an Anti-War Government’. Stop the War is today a politically totally compromised organisation, with long roots in accommodating to Islamic Fundamentalist groups, and now , by ignoring its dire role , also giving cover to the continued crimes of the Assad regime and its cynical Russian imperialist backers. I find myself expressing that in short summing-up judgements as do most of us. Funnily enough, I loathe giving obviously poisonous groups like Stop the War so much oxygen but articles like this from Andy Newman simply make my blood boil….when, as you rightly argue elsewhere, there is so much hard thinking and medium/long term policy work to do on the economy, the EU, immigration, welfare, let alone health and education: the sort of work that any credible opposition should be doing now after a shattering election defeat. "[3], Just as Galloway indulges the regimes of tyrants of the past, he has also done so with more recent dictators. Recognising that Stop the War passed a motion in 2006, “the Stop War Coalition resolves to place on the agenda the demand for anti-war government as a constitutional matter that no such wars of aggression can be advocated, or supported in word or deed, that ensures that Britain ends its collaboration in all … I don’t think that assumption can be justified and, frankly, even as an old-timer who tries to keep up I have to say that all that stuff is not known to me (I have less than a passing interest in the activities of far-left groupings). Around the time of the huge demonstrations of February 15 th 2003, the Stop the War Coalition had emerged as one of the biggest protest movements in British history, yet it failed to achieve its goal of preventing war in Iraq. Unfortunately, underlying the simplistic but at the time of the Iraq War, tactically adequate, mobilising slogans , was all the usual gross soviet era sourced misrepresentations of what “imperialism” actually is today. Without tackling the underlying regional proxy war within which Daesh thrives, and the need to get rid of the murderous sectarian Assad Baathist tyranny, there can be no peace process in the area. A consequence of this was the involvement of the Muslim Association of Britain (MAB), which, along with the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, would co-sponsor the Stop the War protests. Initially a campaign to oppose an American military response to the terrorist attacks, the first meeting was chaired by Lindsey German and attracted around 2,000 people. However, the impression gained from the inside was that the main conduits of its development were hard-left groups such as the SWP, the Socialist Alliance, the Socialist Party and Workers Power, Islamic groups and mosques, trade unions, peace organisations such as the CND, environmental groups such as the Green Party, and the left wing of the Labour Party. Your comments are disgraceful. You can become a member of Stop the War for as little as £2 a month. I would be surprised if many people could read the contributions in this thread and agree with you that trying to avoid strident and emotive condemnations is merely a matter of personal style and that debate can be advanced just as well without making that effort. Is that an impossible notion by definition? p. 131. Stop fannying around David, you clearly supported the NATO bombing of Libya (that ended up handing much of it to ISIS), and you support the NATO bombing of Syria now. Such conclusions may be right but even if they are meaningful debate requires that emphasis is given to the reasons for reaching such conclusions rather than the conclusions themselves. I would like to support the comments of Dave Pavett and Karl Stewart who have very accurately articulated my own reaction to what is going on here. This evasive position lends itself to the idea that the enemies of my enemy are my friends which was, as I understand it, exactly the sort of thing that Phil was questioning. Church of England. So the evidence against them is overwhelming, David….lets move on and not give these people the oxygen they crave! It is difficult to trace the exact path of development of the STWC during this period, as the grassroots, DIY ethos of the organisation was something that did not encourage meticulous record-keeping. Wow, it’s honestly like listening to Hillary ‘Bomber’ Benn all over again, quite uncanny really. But any war will simply add to the numbers of innocent dead, cause untold suffering, political and economic instability on a global scale, increase racism and result in attacks on civil liberties.[1]. 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